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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    Regarding ALL speaker choices...as I have said, it's a system composed of speakers and electronics. I suspect some speakers may sound better on some electronics.

    Since none of us could possibly live long enough to try ALL possible combinations, best to talk about combinations you like rather than declaring one option to be the absolute.
    Now I did refer to getting other things in the system correct first in post #7 and I will interject my opinion again that I do believe alnico is the top choice for a system of top quality where everything is well sorted and max resolution and tone is desired.

    You do bring up a good point though that in certain lower quality systems sometimes you might want that ceramic magnet to cover up problems and if you have done live sound as long as you say you should know really well what I am talking about.

    Although since it is my "opinion" that alnico top choice for a magnet structure,
    why waste time trying to get the system right with any other type of magnet
    if you are going for the best? ( I assume most want the best sound but I may be wrong.....!??!)

    Just food for thought.
    Last edited by Audiomind; February 1st, 2013 at 06:41 PM.

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    You don't seem to allow the possibility your opinions might ever be wrong.
    Your neighbors called. They like your music.

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    Audiomind, be aware I did live sound probably longer than you have been alive. You are expressing a lot of strong opinions others are not going to agree with. You need to back off and express it as opinion only.

    You might want to research the forum a bit and find out more about your conversation partners.
    Old guy do you think the poll is a little over the top? Now that I look at it again it may be a silly idea.

    I have never done a poll before but it may be helpful to get opinions to see if my opinion on alnico has any merit with a user group which has most likely tried both.

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Guy View Post
    You don't seem to allow the possibility your opinions might ever be wrong.
    Understood point taken.

    Now what would be your position if a scientific analysis was done with everything being equal in the system except for the ability to change magnets. Then very detailed high resolution measurements taken, FFT, etc.
    of each structure.

    Do you think my opinion could turn to fact if the alnico produced a result that reproduced the source more accurately than the ceramic?

    I actually don't know if the alnico would out measure the ceramic but some day I will find out. Maybe someone already done this, I would imagine it is locked up in a corporate filing cabinet though.

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Don't know the answer to your rant, but I have an EQ for any annoying sounds and I'm not afraid to use it and a pack of Piezos for my hearing loss.
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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    VH, I actually turned off my EQ, Just using the amp controls now. As far as Alinco vs Ceramic I have no opinion. I've only heard my 802's that are part of my 604C's. I will say this, You can't get them to distort...at least I've never got them to, and it was LOUD!!!! crazy loud....ear bleeding loud.

    FYI, Last night I put a 3" wide strip of cardboard across the front of the cabinet, right over where the horn is. The sharpness went away and the soundstage tripled!!!

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiomind View Post
    It is my opinion that a high end speaker maker like Danley should offer a top model with mid and highs of alnico, cost can not be blamed as a factor these days with GPA selling a 1" alnico for $250 retail.
    Perhaps you have confused "High End" and "Hi-Fi." The Danley line is not for the Hi-Fi market, it's pro and mostly for stadiums. Tom and I have discussed the Hi-Fi market several times, he would certainly like to go there, but the bread and butter of the company is pro sound. "Maybe" if Danley ever gets into the Hi-Fi market, you'll see drivers that are aimed at that. Right now that is not the focus.

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    I too have no opinion concerning alnico versus ceramic. However having owned several pairs of D220 TI's on both 811 and 511 Altec horns for me the 802 G's are far superior. If you mean to say this is true because the D220 TI's are ceramic and the 802 G's are alnico, I would find doubtful. Far too many other design parameters that must be taken into account to attribute to overall sound quality IMO. Sorry if I missed something here....

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Ask Tom Danley about his designs, you will get informed answers from him!

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    Re: GPA "Classic" alnico's to tame highs on Synergy horn

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiomind View Post
    Understood point taken.

    Now what would be your position if a scientific analysis was done with everything being equal in the system except for the ability to change magnets. Then very detailed high resolution measurements taken, FFT, etc.
    of each structure.

    Do you think my opinion could turn to fact if the alnico produced a result that reproduced the source more accurately than the ceramic?

    I actually don't know if the alnico would out measure the ceramic but some day I will find out. Maybe someone already done this, I would imagine it is locked up in a corporate filing cabinet though.

    Your tests would mean crap.

    If the other parts of the transducer are optimized for Alnico it has an advantage. If optimized for ferrite, it would have an advantage.

    One thing Altec engineers learned quickly is that you can't just change the magnets. Early ferrite versions did not sound as good.

    While I prefer Alnico, what I don't do is make extravagant claims based on limited knowledge like you display. I'm way older than you, have seen a lot more. Slow down and smell the roses.

    I have no issue with you saying what you like. Saying other things are bad, especially without knowledge, crosses the line IMHO. Learn more before you make some of the statements you make, better yet, just talk about what you do like and forget it from there.
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